Comments on: The Inner World of the Immigrant Child http://www.rickscheibner.net/administraton-education/the-inner-world-of-the-immigrant-child/ Education -- Music -- Family -- Life Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:36:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Janice Manto http://www.rickscheibner.net/administraton-education/the-inner-world-of-the-immigrant-child/#comment-13391 Janice Manto Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:04:43 +0000 http://www.rickscheibner.net/2007/02/19/the-inner-world-of-the-immigrant-child/#comment-13391 I am considering beginning a master's degree program. My interest is in developing an expertise in teaching ESL to new comers and more specifically understanding the immigrant child as described by Dr. Igoa. I wondered what master's program would be appropriate. I am considering beginning a master’s degree program. My interest is in developing an expertise in teaching ESL to new comers and more specifically understanding the immigrant child as described by Dr. Igoa. I wondered what master’s program would be appropriate.

]]> By: Janice Manto http://www.rickscheibner.net/administraton-education/the-inner-world-of-the-immigrant-child/#comment-1472 Janice Manto Thu, 07 Jun 2007 16:43:58 +0000 http://www.rickscheibner.net/2007/02/19/the-inner-world-of-the-immigrant-child/#comment-1472 I have recommended Dr. Igoa's book to several school districts. Regarding the filmstrips, I wondered if there is a website that describes the technique of creating these filmstrips. I plan to look at the links of the other techniques mentioned above. Janice Manto, ESL teacher I have recommended Dr. Igoa’s book to several school districts. Regarding the filmstrips, I wondered if there is a website that describes the technique of creating these filmstrips. I plan to look at the links of the other techniques mentioned above.
Janice Manto, ESL teacher

]]> By: Richard Bottoms http://www.rickscheibner.net/administraton-education/the-inner-world-of-the-immigrant-child/#comment-1183 Richard Bottoms Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:25:59 +0000 http://www.rickscheibner.net/2007/02/19/the-inner-world-of-the-immigrant-child/#comment-1183 <em>Edited by admin</em>: Thanks for your note, Richard; I will pass along your information to Ms. Igoa. I don't think it was your intention to advertise on here, but I try to avoid links to commercial sites/enterprises that I'm not purposefully writing about. I do appreciate you coming by, though, and please feel free to leave comments in the future. Edited by admin:

Thanks for your note, Richard; I will pass along your information to Ms. Igoa. I don’t think it was your intention to advertise on here, but I try to avoid links to commercial sites/enterprises that I’m not purposefully writing about. I do appreciate you coming by, though, and please feel free to leave comments in the future.

]]> By: A. Mercer http://www.rickscheibner.net/administraton-education/the-inner-world-of-the-immigrant-child/#comment-946 A. Mercer Mon, 02 Apr 2007 21:37:01 +0000 http://www.rickscheibner.net/2007/02/19/the-inner-world-of-the-immigrant-child/#comment-946 I've linked this to a discussion that was on David Warlick's <a href="http://davidwarlick.com/2cents/2007/03/20/computer-as-tool-continued/" rel="nofollow">site</a> on paper and other forms of analog communication/writing vs. computer. Here is the <a href="http://davidwarlick.com/2cents/2007/03/19/are-computer-a-tool/" rel="nofollow">first</a> part of the conversation. I’ve linked this to a discussion that was on David Warlick’s site on paper and other forms of analog communication/writing vs. computer. Here is the first part of the conversation.

]]> By: A Mercer http://www.rickscheibner.net/administraton-education/the-inner-world-of-the-immigrant-child/#comment-936 A Mercer Mon, 02 Apr 2007 18:55:18 +0000 http://www.rickscheibner.net/2007/02/19/the-inner-world-of-the-immigrant-child/#comment-936 Hi Ms. Igoa, that was me talking about the "techonology" earlier. I put it in quotes, partly in an attempt to soften the language (perhaps not successfully). I do not currently have ANY students in the silent period, but I am using other similar methods with newer technologies. First, you have the students use either online/computer based paint and even comic book programs. Most are pretty intuitive and don't require any knowledge of English. Even if you don't use the online/computer based drawing programs and have the students use crayons and pencil, you can scan and upload them into slideware programs. Some of these programs will let you add narration. Here: http://nicholasfifth.edublogs.org/eld/ is what I've been able to do with students still using paper and pencil. Since there are very few slide projectors around, this is what I can do with that lesson now (and frankly you inspired me to do this when I saw Rick's post about your book). I've also been doing a lot with podcasting with ELs as you can see from the page. There are a pleathora of slide packages on the internet, this is just a sampling of them: http://mizmercer.edublogs.org/2007/03/31/slide-show-sites With silent students, I could see pairing them with someone who speaks their home langugage, having them do a story board, scanning the pics, and having their "partner" put the the story together in powerpoint. You can also add narration to PowerPoints. Since my students are being taught PowerPoint this would be feasible in my class. Hi Ms. Igoa, that was me talking about the “techonology” earlier. I put it in quotes, partly in an attempt to soften the language (perhaps not successfully). I do not currently have ANY students in the silent period, but I am using other similar methods with newer technologies. First, you have the students use either online/computer based paint and even comic book programs. Most are pretty intuitive and don’t require any knowledge of English. Even if you don’t use the online/computer based drawing programs and have the students use crayons and pencil, you can scan and upload them into slideware programs. Some of these programs will let you add narration.

Here: http://nicholasfifth.edublogs.org/eld/ is what I’ve been able to do with students still using paper and pencil. Since there are very few slide projectors around, this is what I can do with that lesson now (and frankly you inspired me to do this when I saw Rick’s post about your book). I’ve also been doing a lot with podcasting with ELs as you can see from the page. There are a pleathora of slide packages on the internet, this is just a sampling of them: http://mizmercer.edublogs.org/2007/03/31/slide-show-sites

With silent students, I could see pairing them with someone who speaks their home langugage, having them do a story board, scanning the pics, and having their “partner” put the the story together in powerpoint. You can also add narration to PowerPoints. Since my students are being taught PowerPoint this would be feasible in my class.

]]> By: CRISTINA IGOA http://www.rickscheibner.net/administraton-education/the-inner-world-of-the-immigrant-child/#comment-854 CRISTINA IGOA Sat, 31 Mar 2007 04:26:05 +0000 http://www.rickscheibner.net/2007/02/19/the-inner-world-of-the-immigrant-child/#comment-854 If you come up with new technology for the filmstrip idea, I would be interested in knowing about it. But first you will have to understand what all is covered by the original filmstrip tool. The therapeutic effect of art therapy is powerful. I did have an art table for the children to express themselves when they were stressful and that was therapeutic. The filmstrip concept is more complex. Let me tell you what all is involved and see if today you can find new technology. 1.The filmstrip stories were exactly as you see them in the book, the children hide themselves behind images of wolves, tigers, lonely bears etc. 2. The children tell their stories on tape.This is done after they have learned to read in English. They have built up vocabulary, they write, they learn to spell, and grammar is included. 3. Their voices are heard, but they are not seen. 4. The children select their own music and ask peers to do the sound effects. They learn collaboration 4.When the strip stories are done and they are satisfied with their artwork, they get the Dukane projector ready for viewing. This projector looks like a television. Filmstrip is inside, the tape cut with music and story in place and the drama of their lives unfolds. Besides the therapeutic value of this experience (psychological), they express themselves artistically, (here is your art therapy) The added dimensions of this experience is voice sound which reveal their joys sadness, loneliness all the human emotions hidden. The music is expressive of their emotions, peers making sound effects takes away their loneliness, they bond. For immigrant children who feel disempowered, for those who are fascinated by cartoons, feeling that they know how to "make a cartoon" is very empowering. Drama is included. therefore you have here not only art therapy, academic therapy ( their written stories).Peer bonding and more. You name it. All in a nutshell. If you can find new technology to do all this, do let me know... looks like a TV, shows their "cartoons", helps them bond with peers, while at the same time produces the art therapy results and more. From an international perspective and having lived in many countires, we can learn from them: if it works, leave it alone, change is not necessarily better. I enjoyed the Dukane projector. They've rendered it obsolete. another one of the throw away concept of this culture. But now that the filmstrips are no longer in use, it is a great loss. Old is good, especially when no new tec can replace it. Part 2 of the book shows how I have incoporated all the fimstrip tec ideas in one classroom. But have not yet found a replacement for the Dukane projector. I do not have a blog. I just happened to open this one and got interested in your work, Rick. I have enjoyed this exchange.Keep up the good work. Cristina Igoa If you come up with new technology for the filmstrip idea, I would be interested in knowing about it. But first you will have to understand what all is covered by the original filmstrip tool. The therapeutic effect of art therapy is powerful.
I did have an art table for the children to express themselves when they were stressful and that was therapeutic.

The filmstrip concept is more complex. Let me tell you what all is involved and see if today you can find new technology.
1.The filmstrip stories were exactly as you see them in the book, the children hide themselves behind images of wolves, tigers, lonely bears etc.
2. The children tell their stories on tape.This is done after they have learned to read in English. They have built up vocabulary, they write, they learn to spell, and grammar is included.
3. Their voices are heard, but they are not seen.
4. The children select their own music and ask peers to do the sound effects. They learn collaboration
4.When the strip stories are done and they are satisfied with their artwork, they get the Dukane projector ready for viewing. This projector looks like a television. Filmstrip is inside, the tape cut with music and story in place and the drama of their lives unfolds.

Besides the therapeutic value of this experience (psychological), they express themselves artistically, (here is your art therapy) The added dimensions of this experience is voice sound which reveal their joys sadness, loneliness all the human emotions hidden. The music is expressive of their emotions, peers making sound effects takes away their loneliness, they bond.

For immigrant children who feel disempowered, for those who are fascinated by cartoons, feeling that they know how to “make a cartoon” is very empowering. Drama is included. therefore you have here not only art therapy, academic therapy ( their written stories).Peer bonding and more. You name it. All in a nutshell.

If you can find new technology to do all this, do let me know… looks like a TV, shows their “cartoons”, helps them bond with peers, while at the same time produces the art therapy results and more.

From an international perspective and having lived in many countires, we can learn from them: if it works, leave it alone, change is not necessarily better. I enjoyed the Dukane projector. They’ve rendered it obsolete. another one of the throw away concept of this culture.
But now that the filmstrips are no longer in use, it is a great loss. Old is good, especially when no new tec can replace it. Part 2 of the book shows how I have incoporated all the fimstrip tec ideas in one classroom. But have not yet found a replacement for the Dukane projector.

I do not have a blog. I just happened to open this one and got interested in your work, Rick. I have enjoyed this exchange.Keep up the good work.
Cristina Igoa

]]> By: Rick http://www.rickscheibner.net/administraton-education/the-inner-world-of-the-immigrant-child/#comment-838 Rick Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:44:10 +0000 http://www.rickscheibner.net/2007/02/19/the-inner-world-of-the-immigrant-child/#comment-838 First of all, thank you for replying, Cristina. You gave some great perspective to that part of your book. The filmstrip issue was one that we actually discussed in class. Of course, the first thing we wanted to do was apply new technology to a great idea that was a few years old. I believe my comment in class at the time was that your filmstrip idea has the same therapeutic effect as art therapy. Coming from a counseling perspective, this is a powerful tool to see what's going on inside a student who is either reluctant to talk, or is not old enough to have the language skills to do so. As big of a tech geek as I am sometimes, a blank sheet of paper and single pencil is the best tool I have. As for what technology could be used to replace a filmstrip, I think the first answer would be a digital writing slate of some sort, with a very user friendly software interface to go with it. That would be the closest thing that I can think of to technology that mirrors what your filmstrip concept does. My school is pretty wired, but we don't have anything that closely resembles that idea. Again, thank you for commenting on this site. You've richly contributed to the knowledge in our class by doing so. Do you have a blog? With your ideas, it would be a great resource for the educational community. First of all, thank you for replying, Cristina. You gave some great perspective to that part of your book. The filmstrip issue was one that we actually discussed in class. Of course, the first thing we wanted to do was apply new technology to a great idea that was a few years old. I believe my comment in class at the time was that your filmstrip idea has the same therapeutic effect as art therapy. Coming from a counseling perspective, this is a powerful tool to see what’s going on inside a student who is either reluctant to talk, or is not old enough to have the language skills to do so. As big of a tech geek as I am sometimes, a blank sheet of paper and single pencil is the best tool I have.

As for what technology could be used to replace a filmstrip, I think the first answer would be a digital writing slate of some sort, with a very user friendly software interface to go with it. That would be the closest thing that I can think of to technology that mirrors what your filmstrip concept does. My school is pretty wired, but we don’t have anything that closely resembles that idea.

Again, thank you for commenting on this site. You’ve richly contributed to the knowledge in our class by doing so. Do you have a blog? With your ideas, it would be a great resource for the educational community.

]]> By: Cristina Igoa http://www.rickscheibner.net/administraton-education/the-inner-world-of-the-immigrant-child/#comment-824 Cristina Igoa Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:03:19 +0000 http://www.rickscheibner.net/2007/02/19/the-inner-world-of-the-immigrant-child/#comment-824 I enjoyed reading your reflections about my book, the Inner World of the Immigrant Child. I thought perhaps I would comment on the issue of what the writer says is "technological outdated". I am not advocating that the reader use filmstrips but that the reader see that the filmstrips were at the time of wriing the book an instrument to gather information and to allow the child a way to break the silence. It worked. The filmstrips take too long to create and were used only in the "pull out program",where I could work with one child at a time, but were not used in part 2 of the book when I had to work with an entire classroom of immigrant children. The idea of the filmstrip was also a way to help the "silent" child break the silence. There is nothing in modern technology today that is comparable to the filmstrip for data collection and for the introverted child who does not want to be seen but wants to express himself or herself. To say that the filmstrip is "technologically outdated" is for me to ask the question, "What technology of today can be used in the place of filmstirps?" I would like to know. Cristina Igoa, Ed.D. I enjoyed reading your reflections about my book, the Inner World of the Immigrant Child.
I thought perhaps I would comment on the issue of what the writer says is “technological outdated”. I am not advocating that the reader use filmstrips but that the reader see that the filmstrips were at the time of wriing the book an instrument to gather information and to allow the child a way to break the silence. It worked.
The filmstrips take too long to create and were used only in the “pull out program”,where I could work with one child at a time, but were not used in part 2 of the book when I had to work with an entire classroom of immigrant children.
The idea of the filmstrip was also a way to help the “silent” child break the silence. There is nothing in modern technology today that is comparable to the filmstrip for data collection and for the introverted child who does not want to be seen but wants to express himself or herself.
To say that the filmstrip is “technologically outdated” is for me to ask the question, “What technology of today can be used in the place of filmstirps?”
I would like to know. Cristina Igoa, Ed.D.

]]> By: The Blog of Ms. Mercer » My recenting wanderings in blogs… http://www.rickscheibner.net/administraton-education/the-inner-world-of-the-immigrant-child/#comment-71 The Blog of Ms. Mercer » My recenting wanderings in blogs… Tue, 27 Feb 2007 02:04:49 +0000 http://www.rickscheibner.net/2007/02/19/the-inner-world-of-the-immigrant-child/#comment-71 [...] Educating the immigant child on Rick Schreiber’s blog. For those who didn’t have to read Igoa’s book on the Inner Life of the Immigrant Child, I highly recommend it, and Rick’s reflections are good too. [...] [...] Educating the immigant child on Rick Schreiber’s blog. For those who didn’t have to read Igoa’s book on the Inner Life of the Immigrant Child, I highly recommend it, and Rick’s reflections are good too. [...]

]]> By: A Mercer http://www.rickscheibner.net/administraton-education/the-inner-world-of-the-immigrant-child/#comment-63 A Mercer Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:26:46 +0000 http://www.rickscheibner.net/2007/02/19/the-inner-world-of-the-immigrant-child/#comment-63 Lovely post as always. I had to read Igoa for my credential program, and it is a beautiful book. It is "behind the times" in technology, but think what you could do with the "filmstrip" concept with some technology. What you might want to think about too is that you are teaching in an environment where almost all the ELLs have the same home language. Igoa's classroom, and most of the classes in urban areas have a huge mix of home languages (most districts in California have at least 100 or more home languages). In case you ever move, or your community changes even more, keep in mind that the considerations and issues may change in a mixed 2nd language environment. Good luck! Lovely post as always. I had to read Igoa for my credential program, and it is a beautiful book. It is “behind the times” in technology, but think what you could do with the “filmstrip” concept with some technology.

What you might want to think about too is that you are teaching in an environment where almost all the ELLs have the same home language. Igoa’s classroom, and most of the classes in urban areas have a huge mix of home languages (most districts in California have at least 100 or more home languages). In case you ever move, or your community changes even more, keep in mind that the considerations and issues may change in a mixed 2nd language environment.

Good luck!

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